As originally posted here: http://horsesforever.proboards.com/thread/54174/figuring-percentages-fun
Well, I guess the “fun” depends on how many percentages you have to figure, and how far back! LOL
This is something I’ve been asked a lot over the years to help with (which I don’t mind helping at all!) and I thought it would be a good subject for another info thread, like the Arabian Types. That has now been moved to the Info Center as promised, BTW, and this thread will eventually be moved as well.
Pedigree reference:
(RL) = real life horses that actually existed
(S) = sim horses that exist in online games only
(C) = horse names created in sim pedigrees by members to fill in generation gaps
Examples of where this may apply in your sim-career are figuring the qualification via percentages for breeds like the Pintabian, different types of Warmbloods, Shagya Arabians, Tynec Warmbloods, Crabbet/CMK/Egyptian percentages, etc.
Serascha R, 99.609375% Arabian
Our first example subject is the lovely mare Serascha R, bred by Sunni of Rueath Acres (Mystic Visions). She is a Pintabian with 99.609375% Arabian Blood. To familiarize you with the “Pintabian” standards, this “breed” is defined as a horse with 99% or more Arabian blood and of Arabian type/quality, preferably with tobiano markings. So you can see why finding the real percentage of Arabian blood is important for qualification when breeding and showing.
For RL (and HFAHA) registration purposes, a “Pintabian” is still simply a Half-Arabian and is not actually a recognizable breed, it’s still a cross-bred. It takes SEVEN generations of breeding a tobiano part-bred to a purebred Arabian to obtain a true 99.2% Pintabian horse. All-Sim allows horses with 75% or more to be called Pintabian, but HF does follow the RL standard. More on Pintabians: pintabianregistry.com/
How did I find whether or not Serascha R was a true Pintabian?
Math. It sucks, I know, but it’s a lot less daunting than it initially looks. Pintabians are easy pedigrees to learn on, because more often than not you’ll have one parent that is 100% (super easy!) and one that isn’t. 100% always breaks into 50% for the foal’s inheritance.
Serascha R’s pedigree, and to follow the non-Arabian side farther if you wish, her grandsire Nasr Rakkas: chranch.twolarrysracing.com/stallions/nasrrakkas.shtml:
| Right Away (S) | |||
| Right On The Money (S) | |||
| Millionairess (S) | |||
| Perfectly Right CH (S) Arabian | |||
| Mister Anonymous (S) | |||
| Perfectly Anonymous CH (S) | |||
| Image Of Ofir (S) | |||
| Nasr Ibn Aszim (S) Arabian | |||
| Nasr Rakkas CH (S) 98.4375% Arabian | |||
| KA Sashay (S) 96.875% Arabian | |||
| Senalda R (S) 99.21875% Arabian | |||
| Szed RV Primero (RL) | |||
| Sofia (S) Arabian | |||
| Washoe de Makkora (RL) |
She only has one line of non-Arabians to follow, she so makes it easy on us. Her sire is 100% Arabian, and her dam is 99.21875% Arabian. So you add them together, and divide by two because there are TWO parents obviously and they only pass on HALF of their percentage to their offspring:
100 + 99.21875 = 199.21875 / 2 = 49.609375. Serascha R is 99.609375% Arabian, a true Pintabian.
(or said as 100 plus 99.21875 equals 199.21875. Then 199.21875 divided by 2 equals 99.609375% Arabian)
A longer way to do it is to divide each parent by two and add the product together, like so:
100/2 = 50
99.21875/2 = 49.609375
50 + 49.609375 = 99.609375
So whichever way your brain works better with, the outcome is the same.
You can also round it too, if you don’t want to deal with all of the digits. The problem with this is it could make slightly inaccurate percentages later on when you breed your horse. Serascha R could be called 99.6094%, or 99.6%.
What if you don’t have the parent percentages readily available?
This is less convenient, but it can be done. It will take some sleuthing into the pedigree to find which horses are purebreds and which are not. In Serascha’s case, it is easy because only ONE of her lines contains part-breds. So you follow that line back (usually in http://www.allbreedpedigree.com) until you either find an already figured percentage (awesome!) or the foundation horse of the non-Arabian breed. In Seracha’s case, it traces back to a 1963 mare named Dixie Cup who is registered in the APHA and PtHA so I assume she was a Paint mare. Her sire and dam are not provided on ABP. She was bred to an Arabian stallion, and that is where the Pintabian line starts for Serascha R. 🙂
Cappricio CH, 99.8532% Arabian
What if neither parent is a purebred Arabian?
I have an example for that! Meet Concerto CH, the first homozygous tobiano Pintabian in HF. There are not many of these around, certainly even less of them in real life. It takes many generations and who knows how many tries to get a homozygous tobiano! They MUST have Pinto on both sides of the pedigree for that.
Cappricio CH’s pedigree. Explore his sire and dam’s percentages here:
Sire: chranch.twolarrysracing.com/stallions/concerto.shtml
Dam: chranch.twolarrysracing.com/halfarabmares/seemastarseyn.shtml
| Prince Of Ofir CH (S) | |||
| WA Prophet (S) Arabian | |||
| *Taisoun (S) | |||
| *Concerto CH (S) 99.9024% Arabian | |||
| Majestic Sunspot (RL) 99.609375% Arabian | |||
| *Bel Canto CH (S) 99.8047% Arabian | |||
| Dancer’s Image CH (S) Arabian | |||
| SH Dark Bandit 99.218% Arabian | |||
| MH Daark Starseyn (RL) 99.609% Arabian | |||
| Eboni Starr Arabian | |||
| Seema Starseyn CH (S) 99.804% Arabian | |||
| Shah Nishan | |||
| PSX Metro Black (RL) Arabian | |||
| SH Black Fantasha |
Follow the same procedure as above:
99.9024 + 99.804 = 199.7064 / 2 = 99.8532. Concerto CH is 99.8532% Arabian blood, a true Pintabian.
You mentioned Crabbet percentages, is that the same procedure?
Yep! This will be the same procedure for finding any bloodline percentage in any breed you are working with! Maybe you want to know how much Thoroughbred blood is in your Trakehner? No problem! Just do the same thing shown above as with the Pintabians.
Crabbets suck to find the percentages, honestly. Mostly because under 75%, a lot of horses don’t have their Crabbet percentages displayed on ABP. I have a notepad file where I’ve saved percentages I’ve figured (from ABP provided percentages), and am happy to provide that here if anyone requests it. BUT! There’s a handy-dandy website where you can Control+F and type a horse’s name to hopefully find it on this list, and the work is already done for you!
crabbetpercentages.weebly.com/percentages.html
With the Crabbet horses, just for example, you may end up with several or ALL of the lines having a certain percentage of that type, from say 4.2 percent all the way to 89.39857298735! The trick is to keep yourself organized as you follow each sire and dam line, and keep a record of each horse so that you can plug the numbers in when you have them. I go backwards through a pedigree until I find a horse that I have a percentage, and then work forwards to the horse I am working on, from the top of the pedigree (stallion line) down to the bottom (dam line).
Here is an example, the colt Edge Of Forevver CH:
| Ben Rabba 57.72% Crabbet | |||
| Najih (RL) 66.7506% Crabbet | |||
| Narah Bint Neziah 75.78125% Crabbet | |||
| Waltzer (S) 67.9412% Crabbet | |||
| Cougar Rock 72.8254% Crabbet | |||
| Rushcreek Liz (RL) 69.1319% Crabbet | |||
| Rushcreek Tern 65.438325% Crabbet | |||
| Dib (RL) | |||
| High As Kites (C) 100% Crabbet | |||
| Bint Bint Gulida (RL) | |||
| Sky Dancer (S) 95.8984% Crabbet | |||
| Regis (RL) 100% Crabbet | |||
| Dancing Queen (C) 91.7969% Crabbet | |||
| MIJ Rakalana (RL) 83.5938% Crabbet |
If you have more resources for percentages in breeds or types, please feel free to post them here!
I hope that helps explain it a bit better, so you can find percentages when you need to. Happy pedigree hunting!
